Pieter van der Merwe
This Wednesday, 28.2.24., Pieter van der Merwe will give us an introduction and insight into the fascinating life of a remarkable man.
All welcome.
Pieter van der Merwe
This Wednesday, 28.2.24., Pieter van der Merwe will give us an introduction and insight into the fascinating life of a remarkable man.
All welcome.
16th November 2023 By Anthony Cross Leave a Comment (Edit)
In a change to the planned GHS Pantomime (which has been postponed and will instead be performed in January), our forthcoming meeting on Wednesday 22 November is now to be
LEST WE FORGET… THE HISTORY OF THE GREENWICH BOROUGH ARCHIVES.
This will take place at The Trafalgar Tavern. Doors open 7pm, meeting commences 7.30.
This lantern lecture will tell the history of the Greenwich Archives from their inception, revealing the civic pride Greenwich Council once took in the Borough’s history, through to their sadly reduced circumstances of the present day.
THE TALK WILL BE FOLLOWED BY A GENERAL DISCUSSION, DURING WHICH CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE FLOOR WILL BE WELCOMED.
In a change to the planned GHS Pantomime (which has been postponed and will instead be performed in January), our forthcoming meeting on Wednesday 22 November is now to be
LEST WE FORGET… THE HISTORY OF THE GREENWICH BOROUGH ARCHIVES.
This will take place at The Trafalgar Tavern. Doors open 7pm, meeting commences 7.30.
This lantern lecture will tell the history of the Greenwich Archives from their inception, revealing the civic pride Greenwich Council once took in the Borough’s history, through to their sadly reduced circumstances of the present day.
THE TALK WILL BE FOLLOWED BY A GENERAL DISCUSSION, DURING WHICH CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE FLOOR WILL BE WELCOMED.
Please find further details attached.
“GREENWICH HAS ALWAYS TAKEN TREMENDOUS PRIDE IN THE BOROUGH’S LONG HISTORY…”
So proclaimed the then Leader of Greenwich Council when “Royal Borough” status was dangled before him in 2012. What fine words these turned out to be.
Just six years later in 2018 the Greenwich Heritage Centre (opened with great fanfare in Woolwich Arsenal in 2003) was summarily closed with no public consultation. The Greenwich Borough Archives have remained out of sight and essentially inaccessible ever since.
Renewed focus on the Borough Archives has been prompted by Greenwich Council’s “heritage led” bid to become London Borough of Culture 2025.
Once again, Greenwich Council appears to be attempting to harness the history of the borough for self-aggrandisement. With no hint of irony or shame, a summit to launch this bid was held last month in Woolwich Works, formerly the location of the Greenwich Heritage Centre.
The Council recently stated: “At the heart of our bid will be the people who’ve made Royal Greenwich their home. We’re asking you, what’s your story! What’s your family’s history within our borough. Your heritage and experiences will help us build a bid entry that truly represents the people of our borough.” The Council also expressed the intention of “digging into the archives to find stories from the past.”
Yet, as things stand, it remains impossible to dig into the Borough Archives, as it has been for the past FIVE YEARS.
Nonetheless, until last month, Greenwich Council’s website still had a page devoted to the Greenwich Heritage Centre indicating it was still in Woolwich Arsenal and remained open for business as usual.
The sorry saga of the Archives has recently been well covered online by The Greenwich Wire, The Murky Depths, and News Shopper:
Dr Mary Mills, the well-respected former local councillor, historian and stalwart of the Greenwich Industrial History Society has launched a petition calling upon the Council to restore a properly functioning archive and museum service:
The increasing number of signatories reflects the strength of feeling that exists for the Archives. Please add your name to them.
Since May 2022, GHS has repeatedly expressed our apprehensions regarding the Archives to the Leader of Greenwich Council, most recently on 9 November this year. After being ignored for the best part of a year and a half, we eventually received a reply from the Leader last week in which he agreed to meet the Greenwich Historical Society to discuss the matter face to face. We hope this meeting will take place before the end of this month.
The aim of the Greenwich Historical Society is simple: to achieve the reopening of the Greenwich Borough Archives, with accessibility for all, and to secure their long-term future as a recognised local asset, which is also of national significance. We hope the Council will belatedly appreciate the invaluable potential the Archives possess – not only to unlock the past but also to inform, improve and enhance the present and future of the Borough.
The ever-expanding audiences the Greenwich Historical Society’s lectures attract – over 200 people attended our lecture at The Trafalgar in September – visibly demonstrate a genuine interest in and demand for history and popular education, reflecting the vital role this plays in authentic community engagement.
Long may it continue!
We greatly look forward to seeing you on 22 November.
AN OPEN LETTER TO THE ROYAL BOROUGH OF GREENWICH
FROM GREENWICH HISTORICAL SOCIETY
3 October 2023
The following email was sent by the Greenwich Historical Society to Cllr. Anthony
Okereke, the Leader of the Royal Borough of Greenwich, on 13 May 2022, to share
the Society’s concerns regarding the fate of the Greenwich Borough Archives and
Museum Collection. As Cllr. Okereke failed to respond, it was sent again on 2 July
2022 and once more on 13 September 2022. To date, we have received neither reply
nor acknowledgment from Cllr. Okereke.
On 13 September 2022, this email was also circulated to the Chief Executive of
Greenwich Council, the Chair of Royal Greenwich Heritage Trust (who is also the
Leader of the Labour Group in the London Assembly), the Mayor of Greenwich,
the MP for Greenwich and Woolwich, and ten Royal Borough of Greenwich
Councillors. None of whom responded.
The Royal Borough of Greenwich has now launched a bid to become London
Borough of Culture 2025. The stated intention of the Council is for this bid to be
“heritage led”. We therefore feel it to be timely to send this email again to Cllr.
Okereke in the hope both of a long-overdue response and an opportunity to discuss
the future of the Archive.
With no hint of irony or shame, a summit to launch Greenwich Council’s bid to
become London Borough of Culture 2025 is being held on 3rd and 4th October at
Woolwich Works. This site was formerly the location of the Greenwich Heritage
Centre until its abrupt closure, without any public consultation, in early July 2018.
Since which time the Archive has remained out of sight with no public access in a
poorly located industrial unit perilously close to the River Thames in Lower
Charlton. The Royal Borough of Greenwich has the dubious distinction of offering
the worst archive service of any borough in London, a situation that fully exposes the
harsh reality of Greenwich Council’s appallingly indifferent and negligent
commitment to the borough’s history and heritage.
GREENWICH HISTORICAL SOCIETY
Previously sent on:
13 May 2022
2 July 2022
13 September 2022
3 October 2023
To: Cllr. Anthony Okereke, Leader of the Royal Borough of Greenwich
Dear Cllr. Okereke,
Congratulations on your election as the new Leader of the Royal Borough of Greenwich
As representatives of the Greenwich Historical Society, we are writing as very concerned and
increasingly frustrated users of the Borough Archives to draw your attention as the new Leader
of the Council to their continuing inaccessibility and uncertain future.
Responsibility for the Archives lies with the Greenwich local authority which has unusually
devolved responsibility to the Royal Greenwich Heritage Trust (RGHT) for their day-to-day
care and for making them accessible to the public. The Trust is responsible also for the Museum
Collections and for Charlton House.
The Archives are a resource for the whole community as well as for all those who are concerned
to discover aspects of the history of Greenwich and its people. They comprise centuries of local
social, planning and industrial history, including much material relating to the Royal Arsenal
and Dockyard and the Old Royal Naval College, as well as the less well known and less studied
parts of the Borough. The Archives therefore are of great importance for all concerned with
Greenwich’s local and internationally important history, but also perhaps more pertinently in
the current development and housing climate, they provide a vital resource for all who are
engaged in ongoing planning and development issues. But they are inaccessible.
The Archives were closed without public consultation at very short notice in 2018 when they
were removed from Woolwich Arsenal to make way for the development of the cultural quarter.
They were moved into store at Anchorage Point, Charlton, with the intention of being returned
in due course to a more accessible location. The Archives are still at Anchorage Point. They
are being cared for and cataloguing is taking place but there is no public access to a search
room and apparently no plan or date for opening to the public, and no plan for a long-term
secure location. We could understand closure during the period of the pandemic, but other
London archives which had been forced to close by Covid-19 reopened last year. This failure
to fulfil a basic responsibility in running a local history Archive – making it available to the
public – seems to us to represent a dereliction of duty reflecting very badly on the RGHT and
on the council.
It is clear that Anchorage Point was only ever an interim response to the problem of housing
the archive. Now that the site is to be subject to redevelopment for the building of a new school
with new housing and an access road, it becomes even more pressing to find a new home which
will enable the continuing preservation of fragile documents as well as providing a search room
for researchers. Now that the sale of the Borough Hall has fallen through we wonder whether
that might be considered as a potential new home for the Archives, given its accessible location
with good transport links, bringing back to life a modernist building of great architectural merit
as a hub for the exploration of social and planning history with great educational potential.
We would very much appreciate the opportunity to discuss this matter with you since four years
after the Archives closed, they seem no nearer to being reopened.
Yours sincerely,
The President and Council of the Greenwich Historical Society:
Anthony Cross, President
Dr Marilyn Ballisat
Horatio Blood
John Bold, Former Head of Architecture, Royal Commission on the Historical Monuments of England;
Emeritus Fellow, University of Westminster
Julian Bowsher, FSA, Former Senior Archaeologist & Numismatist, Museum of London Archaeology
Julian Clark
Peter Guillery, FRHistSoc, Honorary Senior Research Associate, Survey of London, The Bartlett School of
Architecture, University College London
Lindy Mackie
Rob Powell
Neil Rhind, MBE, FSA, President of the Blackheath Society; Honorary Freeman of the Royal Borough of
Greenwich
Julian Watson, Former Local History Librarian, London Borough of Greenwich, 1969-2003
Supported by
Dr Olivia Horsfall Turner, FSA, Senior Curator Architecture and Design, Victoria and Albert Museum
William Palin, Honorary Conservation Director, Old Royal Naval College
Wednesday 25 October
Helen White
Helen White, Senior Interpretation Manager at the Old Royal Naval College, will talk about their forthcoming exhibition, CHOCOLATE HOUSE GREENWICH.
Part of the Wren 300 programme marking the tercentenary of the death of Sir Christopher Wren. The exhibition focuses on Greenwich in the early 1700s, when it was a hub of cultural and scientific activity with Sir Christopher Wren’s Royal Hospital for Seamen at its heart. Just up the hill on the edge of Blackheath, THE CHOCOLATE HOUSE was a new meeting place for sophisticated society.
Greenwich Historical Society meets at
THE TRAFALGAR TAVERN
PARK ROW, GREENWICH, LONDON SE10 9NW
Doors open 7 o’clock, lectures commence at 7.30
ALL WELCOME! GHS Members Gratis. Visitors £3
WEDNESDAY 27 SEPTEMBER
Doors open 7pm, talk commences 7.30.
THE TRAFALGAR TAVERN, PARK ROW, GREENWICH, SE10 9NW
The Greenwich Historical Society’s autumn lecture programme commences on Wednesday 27 September with a celebration of the glorious memory of Ann Broadbent, the Queen of Crooms Hill, whose death in February was a hugely significant moment in the history of our town. Ann’s departure marks the end of an era: the passing of old Bohemian Greenwich. Ann arrived at 14 Crooms Hill in 1956 and for the next seven decades her generosity of spirit and creativity were the vital spark in the cultural and social landscape of Greenwich, embracing an unerring eye for colour and pattern, skilful artistry for baroque juxtaposition, celebrated garden parties and memorable tours of her magnificently decorated house.
I am delighted that our guest speaker will be Dr Olivia Horsfall Turner, Senior Curator of Architecture and Design at the Victoria and Albert Museum, whose article on Ann’s house for The World of Interiors can be viewed here to whet your appetite:
https://www.worldofinteriors.com/story/crooms-hill-ann-broadbent
TO CELEBRATE ANN’S LOVE OF PARTIES, VISITORS ARE INVITED TO DRESS COLOURFULLY!
Members of the Greenwich Historical Society admitted free.
We warmly welcome visitors from whom we invite a donation of £3.
Bus routes 129, 177, 188, 286, 386 run along Trafalgar Road.
Free car parking after 6.30 in the Park Row car park.
The excellent exhibition exploring the life and work of Sir William Beatty continues at the Old Royal Naval College until 25 March 2023. If you haven’t already visited, don’t miss the opportunity to see it and learn more about the remarkable man who attended to Lord Nelson in his final moments.
Explore the fascinating – and sometimes grisly – life and work of renowned 19th-century naval surgeon and physician, Sir William Beatty. Marking 200 years since Beatty took up his post as Physician to the Royal Hospital for Seamen in Greenwich, now the Old Royal Naval College, the exhibition features a range of objects including a replica of Nelson’s life mask, Beatty’s own medical chest and 18th and 19th century surgical instruments.
Step on-board a replica of the cockpit of the HMS Victory complete with the sights, smells and sounds of a make-shift medical bay. Learn about the surgical practice of Nelson’s Navy and how improved medical knowledge helped to save more lives at sea.
Parental discretion advised. This exhibition is not recommended for children aged 10 or younger.
This is a reminder that on Wednesday 23 November we welcome Katie Oakley to GHS to share with us her book, ‘Yours, La’ – Wartime letters from a mother to her only son written between 1943 and 1945’.
As Katie says in her introduction:“Imagine saying goodbye to your 21-year-old son as he goes away to war. Little do you know that he’ll be fighting on the frontline for years. Meanwhile you are left behind, queuing for rations, becoming homeless, after a flying bomb attack and doing your utmost to keep everyone’s spirits up.
This selection of letters, written by La and sent from the family home in Beaconsfield Road, Blackheath, to her son John, vividly describes living through World War Two in London from 1943 to 1945, her reactions to events and her views on the war. John carefully kept all the letters, despite living in extreme conditions while fighting in the North African, Italian, and Greek campaigns.Many letters from soldiers to their families back home have survived, but few the other way round.”
Venue: James Wolfe Primary School, Royal Hill, Greenwich, SE10 8RZ.
Time: Doors are open at 7.00pm, the meeting will begin at 7.30pm
The Assembly Rooms, Charlton House,16th July 2022: from 2.30pm.
On Saturday 16th July at 2.30 p.m. in the Grand Salon, Charlton House TRACY STRINGFELLOW, Chief Executive of Royal Greenwich Heritage Trust, will speak about the proposals to create a museum and archive space at Charlton House.
Before moving to Greenwich in 2013 Tracy was Heritage Manager with Medway Council responsible for management of Rochester Castle, Upnor Castle, and Temple Manor. Tracy was also Project Manager at Eastgate House developing a successful £1.2 million Heritage Lottery Fund application towards work to repair and transform Eastgate House into a Heritage, Arts and Cultural attraction. Tracy has been Chief Executive Officer of Royal Greenwich Heritage Trust (RGHT) since its charity registration in May 2014.
RGHT are now working in partnership with the Royal Borough of Greenwich to develop a National Lottery Heritage Fund application for Charlton House and an exciting new project to re-discover the museum and archive collections in RGHT’s care in SE7.
The session will be available via Zoom (see details below). It is also planned to have a separate back-up recording plus the slide presentation available on The Charlton Society website at a later date. The talk will be followed by refreshments. We will be charging our usual entrance fee which helps towards room hire – this is £2 for members and £3 for visitors – cash (correct money appreciated), cheque or contactless payments accepted.
Zoom details: Ruth Dodson is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
Topic: Charlton Society meetingTime: Jul 16, 2022 2:30 p.m. for 2.45 p.m. London. Join Zoom Meeting: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81724893139…
Meeting ID: 817 2489 3139Passcode: 174369
‘Greenwich Park or EASTER Monday’ is a print published by John Marshall & Co around about 1800 in which we see displayed all the fun of the fair at a time before the ‘chicks and chocs’ of the modern-day experience formed our vision of the occasion.
Here then is a picture of all and sundry, high and low, relaxing and recreating together. The rigours of winter were over, the denial of Lent and the solemnities of the Passion were done with, and it was time to roll away the stone.
Traditionally, two separate festivities were held in Greenwich each Spring, one at Easter, (whenever it fell), and the other at Whitsun. The Greenwich Fair depicted here and the one Dickens described in his ‘Sketches by Boz’ some thirty years later may seem the same, but are quintessentially different. By Dickens’ time a re-branding of the event had happened. The days of an archaic pre-industrial calendar festival were numbered.
In his essay, ‘Greenwich Fair’, (published in Transactions, Vol. VII, No4, 1970), Ronald Longhurst reminds us that, “the origin of [Greenwich] fair is rather obscure … and it seems unlikely that as a sizeable event it dated from earlier than the eighteenth century.” Greenwich Fair was never a chartered market for the buying and selling of produce, livestock and the hiring of labour. Its original intent was solely to provide amusements. The earliest reference dates from 1709.
Celebrations opened on Easter Monday. Visitors would arrive in Greenwich, either up from the country, or down from town; either way they were bent on pleasure and recreation. (Think of it as a bit like a few days at Glastonbury or Reading).
Those coming from the Metropolis would be best to have travelled by water as coming by land would have presented them with particular difficulties. They might have got into the town via Deptford Bridge and from thence along the London Road (nowadays Greenwich High Road). Until the early 1800s there was no bridge across the Ravensbourne on Creek Road (as we know it today) to carry them over. Those up from Kent would probably have come in over Blackheath or by Woolwich. Any road up, they would have been greeted by stalls offering an assortment of sweet-meats, trinkets, tricks and treats. They would make their way through town because as Greenwich Park was the ‘fairground’. Before 1830, the park was essentially a private space and only opened to the general public on special occasions like these. It beckoned them with fresh air and space and so offered – in good weather at least – the opportunities to sport, picnic and gambol and dance. In short, to turn the world upside down.
Much of what can be seen in the image is described in this cutting from The Star (London) of Tuesday 20 April 1802. Referring to the previous day, it reported that:
“GREENWICH HILL was … thronged with its annual visitants, and the delightful walks in the Park covered with gay fantastic groupes of Holiday-folks, resolved to be merry, displayed a scene pleasing, animated, and picturesque. Care, frightened by the voice of Cheerfulness, fled the spot, Pleasure sparkled in each eye, double reflection stood suspended, and nought was heard but playful repartee, roguish tittering from the cherry – cheeked damsels, and hearty peals of laughter from their hail admirers. The fineness of the weather tempted numbers of adventurous Fair to a tumble down the hill, persuaded no doubt that in the eyes of their Adonis, a ‘green gown’ would prove the most inviting attraction, and determined, from a principle of national pride, to afford convincing proof that British Females possess a perfection of shape and symmetry of limb rivalling, if not surpassing, the boasted beauties of Greece or Rome. Various sports succeeded, to the approach of evening forbidding the continuance of Rude Amusements, the jocund party separated to conclude their pleasurable day, as Fancy might dictate.”
‘Green gowns’? ‘Tumbling’? Shall we join the dance?
This is ‘Kiss-in-the-Ring’ – a game involving elaborate manoeuvres, but which eventually, after lots of ins and outs, twists and turns, had its own reward …
… over to the left, (though apparently of little interest to the courting couples in the foreground) is a boxing-ring where a bare-fist fight is taking place …
… This sailor-boy and his lass engage at close quarters of their own, whilst just to their right, a respectable couple saunter by rather aloof to it all: good luck to them! On 7 April 1763, The Derby Mercury reported that: “On Monday last a gentleman and his spouse walking in Greenwich Park, the rabble catched hold of her leg, dragged her down the hill, and tore almost all the cloathes off her back, during the transaction she lost her shoes and silver buckles, and continues so ill of the fright that her life is despaired of”…
Aha! There’s some refreshment to be had. Very likely, after the long trek visitors would be ready for a drink, (and no doubt the longer the day wore on, the stronger it got). Most sources mention a penchant for gin, and a nip of ‘ruin’ is probably what this lady is doling out here to the Greenwich Pensioner and his friend from Chelsea. Behind her a cheeky chap gets his by more nefarious means. And, oh, whose is that badly brought up little dog? For goodness sake. Decorum, please!
But it’s up on the Hill itself where the real action is at. The great ‘sport’ on these occasions was for the young blades to coax the girls up the hill and then to run, roll and tumble down together. ‘Tumble’ is a word to look up in Grose’s Classical Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue. There you will find its other definition, but perhaps you guessed its connotation already …
… the participants landed in a dishevelled heap at the bottom! And very likely it was a spectator sport too, what with the a glimpse of an ankle, perhaps an uncovered calf, even a bare bum.
Such pleasures and pastimes conjure up a golden age full of innocent fun. However, scratching and sniffing the image with the nose of a modern sensibility gives rise to suspicion and the rosy scent soon wears away. But don’t entirely let go of this lovely illusion. This picture still evokes a particular moment which may perhaps have marked the heyday of Greenwich Fair.
Shortly after this print was published something changed. And it was a visible shift. In 1814 the Hospital Commissioners granted the piece of land between the park wall and Romney Road for use by the fair . It was an attractive proposition to the travelling showmen Richardson, Wombwell, et al., who soon moved in and rapidly spread through the town as far as Deptford Creek, establishing what one Mission pamphlet in 1837 described as “the greatest Carnival this side of the bottomless pit”.
The steamboat companies, and after 1840, the new railway, multiplied the number of visitors, bringing in far more than the town could cope with. Nor were they quite the same folks who had frolicked about in Marshall’s quaint depiction. These were a new kind of working people, wage slaves working in factories, some of whom used the occasion, not just as a recreation, but as a release from the sordid conditions they endured. Their intent on enjoyment was fuelled by alcohol if the newspapers and other accounts are to be believed.
Complaints began almost immediately. Then, in 1825, St Mary’s was established as a ‘chapel of ease’ to St Alfege church just below the park gates at the top of King William Walk. Perhaps this acted as a catalyst to the groundswell of opinion: It was inappropriate to have these anarchic revelries going on to the detriment of the peace and morality of the town.
The gist of this opinion was expressed in this quotation from the petition delivered to the Justices of the Peace by the Vicar of St Alfege, his Churchwardens and Overseers, Governors and Directors of the Poor in April 1825:
“That of late years … the whole scene has been materially changed, that the profligate numbers of the lower orders have been increased, that the money heretofore spent in the Town, and to the benefit of the Tradesmen generally, is now almost entirely squandered in the numerous Booths and Shows … and that a very great addition is made to this evil by the increased – the open and powerful – incentives to licentiousness among the middle and lower orders of the community, that the hours kept by these booths are in direct violation of the laws of the land, and the scenes to which they lead are offending against the best feelings of Christian morality”.
The showmen were given notice to quit, but even then they were an a most unconscionable time packing up their tents and booths. It did not finally close until 1857.
Poor old Greenwich Fair: gone, but not forgotten – and as Punch quipped sardonically, “… Not a bit lamented, pickpockets and gents alone excepted”.
Happy Easter Monday!
This short, sweet recollection of VE Day – still clearly engraved after 75 years – was sent in by a GHS member this morning on behalf of her elderly neighbour. Grateful thanks and best wishes to you both!
She was in the ATS and by 1944 was based at RAF Digby in Lincolnshire where she was a PT instructor and a switchboard operator. It was “all very jovial … we danced and danced and danced … not just on Victory Day’. The RAF station was home to the ‘Arnhem boys, the D Day boys … everything was organised for them, … we waved them off – little did we know what they were going to.”
She can’t remember receiving the news of the end of the war but on 8 May suddenly everyone decided to go to London and to Buckingham Palace to see the royal family on the balcony. One of the ATS corporals was her ‘minder’ because she had recently been found to be underage (a friend had persuaded her to join up – and had filled in the form for her, lying about her age). She persuaded her corporal friend/minder to come with her and all the other girls to London. They took the train from Doncaster – “it was packed, jam packed with people … you didn’t mind it if you stood all the way”. They then followed the crowd when they arrived. “Food was being handed around, sandwiches and cakes and things. We elbowed our way round and had to hang on to each other; we were in uniform and so many hundreds and thousands were there, all in uniform as well…”. They went first to Buckingham Palace, “along the Mall to see the King and Queen … That wasn’t a five-minute job either. Then we just sort of wandered around and watched people dancing. Trafalgar Square – it was all dancing. Then to the Stage Door Canteen right in the heart of Piccadilly – we had been before many times when we had leave, we would always come to the Stage Door Canteen – doughnuts and coffee, fabulous music and bands. We then just danced all night; you could excuse somebody then so men would cut in all the time as you were dancing … We got back on the train the next day. You couldn’t sleep at the YWCA which was full so we just stayed up all night … Memory is a wonderful thing!”
After she was demobbed she came to live in New Cross with the three other girls, then Deptford and moved to Greenwich in 1948 – when her rent was eight shillings a week.
You may also like to follow this link to a BBC World Service podcast of original sound recordings of broadcasts from 8th May 1945: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3cszmtt